1 00:00:04,970 --> 00:00:03,350 and and this yeah this was one of the 2 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:04,980 things that went bump but in the day 3 00:00:10,970 --> 00:00:08,730 time unfortunately so this session is as 4 00:00:13,190 --> 00:00:10,980 Roger said already things that go bump 5 00:00:16,910 --> 00:00:13,200 in the night and the first speaker will 6 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:16,920 be Thomas goodie and Rene Vail Vallejo 7 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:20,970 and their topic is review of anomalous 8 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:23,010 physical effects during solar eclipses 9 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:26,010 eclipses in a proposal for coordinated 10 00:00:33,889 --> 00:00:28,170 experiments during the great American 11 00:00:35,959 --> 00:00:33,899 solar eclipse 21 August 2017 ah thank 12 00:00:39,590 --> 00:00:35,969 you very much good evening ladies and 13 00:00:42,260 --> 00:00:39,600 gentlemen I am very happy to be able to 14 00:00:44,139 --> 00:00:42,270 speak to you after you have shared 15 00:00:46,279 --> 00:00:44,149 yourselves up with a good dinner 16 00:00:48,020 --> 00:00:46,289 unfortunately not everyone is back but 17 00:00:49,310 --> 00:00:48,030 there you go and many people have 18 00:00:52,939 --> 00:00:49,320 different plans for the great American 19 00:00:55,299 --> 00:00:52,949 eclipses as you can see and all sorts of 20 00:00:58,610 --> 00:00:55,309 plans from all the sorts of people 21 00:00:59,900 --> 00:00:58,620 anyway and the I'll show you a map now 22 00:01:02,119 --> 00:00:59,910 of the amount of the eclipses as it 23 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:02,129 comes up so this is the eclipse as it 24 00:01:06,620 --> 00:01:04,650 will cost America on the 21st of August 25 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:06,630 next year it comes in an Oregon and it 26 00:01:10,969 --> 00:01:08,490 comes along here a little north of 27 00:01:14,510 --> 00:01:10,979 Colorado you have to go to Wyoming on 28 00:01:16,219 --> 00:01:14,520 Alaska to see it and this if you want to 29 00:01:17,929 --> 00:01:16,229 see the Eclipse visually this is the 30 00:01:19,730 --> 00:01:17,939 area you should best be in for best 31 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:19,740 weather then it comes down along here 32 00:01:23,810 --> 00:01:21,090 and it goes out in Carolina and North 33 00:01:25,789 --> 00:01:23,820 Cal in South Carolina here and it'll 34 00:01:28,550 --> 00:01:25,799 take about 60 minutes to cross America 35 00:01:30,620 --> 00:01:28,560 the duration at every point - at each 36 00:01:33,649 --> 00:01:30,630 point of totality along the centerline 37 00:01:35,719 --> 00:01:33,659 will be approximately two minutes so and 38 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:35,729 if you are towards the edge it will be a 39 00:01:39,260 --> 00:01:37,770 bit less it's if you want to enjoy the 40 00:01:41,420 --> 00:01:39,270 eclipse you must see totality it's 41 00:01:43,490 --> 00:01:41,430 absolutely hopeless not to see totality 42 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:43,500 which some people think is almost as 43 00:01:47,899 --> 00:01:45,090 good but it isn't now when you come to 44 00:01:49,580 --> 00:01:47,909 to see a total solar eclipse really like 45 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:49,590 most things in life you'll get out of it 46 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:50,850 what you put into it what you bring to 47 00:01:55,100 --> 00:01:52,770 it you see the guys on the on the Left 48 00:01:57,410 --> 00:01:55,110 haven't thought much about the guy on 49 00:01:58,160 --> 00:01:57,420 the right here this guy has been doing 50 00:02:00,260 --> 00:01:58,170 homework 51 00:02:04,459 --> 00:02:00,270 this guy has may not have got himself 52 00:02:07,999 --> 00:02:04,469 quite ready yet uh-huh so what I'm 53 00:02:09,589 --> 00:02:08,009 talking about here is a coordinates for 54 00:02:12,140 --> 00:02:09,599 coordinated experiments in physics 55 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:12,150 during the solar eclipse with the aim of 56 00:02:15,500 --> 00:02:13,530 finding 57 00:02:18,050 --> 00:02:15,510 physics anomalies in the behavior of 58 00:02:19,640 --> 00:02:18,060 delicate to our physical equipment these 59 00:02:21,740 --> 00:02:19,650 have been persistently reported over 60 00:02:23,420 --> 00:02:21,750 more than sixty years and the type of 61 00:02:26,420 --> 00:02:23,430 equipment that appears to have given 62 00:02:29,510 --> 00:02:26,430 results is a gravimeters portion 63 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:29,520 pendulums or so to debate 2d pendulums 64 00:02:32,510 --> 00:02:31,170 so called spherical pendulums this is 65 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:32,520 these are pendulums that of which you 66 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:34,170 consider the motion in an ellipse in 67 00:02:37,580 --> 00:02:35,610 other words not just a straight-line 68 00:02:39,470 --> 00:02:37,590 pendulum but a pendulum that that can 69 00:02:40,970 --> 00:02:39,480 that can develop an elliptical motion 70 00:02:43,670 --> 00:02:40,980 which actually they all do 71 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:43,680 now speaking of gravimeter observations 72 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:46,290 first three times the mean clear 73 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:48,450 observations of anomalies by people 74 00:02:52,460 --> 00:02:50,970 using old-fashioned Lacoste lumber 75 00:02:53,930 --> 00:02:52,470 gravimeters which are mechanical with 76 00:02:55,759 --> 00:02:53,940 limiters there's several hundred of 77 00:02:58,970 --> 00:02:55,769 these in America and I'm sure that many 78 00:03:01,759 --> 00:02:58,980 of you have many of universities have 79 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:01,769 access to department of geology who may 80 00:03:05,780 --> 00:03:03,810 have access to or my own gravimeters I'm 81 00:03:07,850 --> 00:03:05,790 sure that among all the people in this 82 00:03:11,540 --> 00:03:07,860 one at least ten women government is 83 00:03:12,979 --> 00:03:11,550 available for use and I strong a greater 84 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:12,989 advantage of doing an experiment the 85 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:14,130 glue of limit is it costs absolutely 86 00:03:16,729 --> 00:03:15,690 nothing you just have to look at it or 87 00:03:18,590 --> 00:03:16,739 hook it up to the computer and record 88 00:03:19,940 --> 00:03:18,600 what it does you don't even need a 89 00:03:22,340 --> 00:03:19,950 person to observe it you better stay 90 00:03:24,890 --> 00:03:22,350 away from it it works automatically the 91 00:03:27,229 --> 00:03:24,900 first observation of an anomaly was by a 92 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:27,239 gentleman called Duval in Quebec in 1994 93 00:03:31,670 --> 00:03:29,010 actually a colleague of my colleague 94 00:03:33,380 --> 00:03:31,680 that when I felt here here was the start 95 00:03:35,930 --> 00:03:33,390 of the Eclipse this is the wording of 96 00:03:37,670 --> 00:03:35,940 the gravimeter it appeared to the value 97 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:37,680 of gee appeared and I say appear to get 98 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:39,570 a little higher during the clip so to 99 00:03:46,009 --> 00:03:41,010 drop back to normal levels immediately 100 00:03:49,310 --> 00:03:46,019 after the clips I'm sorry I believe this 101 00:03:51,319 --> 00:03:49,320 is milli gals so Michael Gelles again 102 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:51,329 come and see us for details we have not 103 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:53,250 enough time to cover everything come and 104 00:03:56,449 --> 00:03:54,810 see us later for the details because 105 00:03:58,580 --> 00:03:56,459 you'll find a very interesting this is 106 00:04:00,289 --> 00:03:58,590 an observation published in Physical 107 00:04:02,930 --> 00:04:00,299 Review by a guy called Mishra in India 108 00:04:04,490 --> 00:04:02,940 who was not on the central path on the 109 00:04:06,470 --> 00:04:04,500 Eclipse and by the way neither was 110 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:06,480 neither was develop a central path you 111 00:04:12,650 --> 00:04:08,730 see this see here is the here's their 112 00:04:14,990 --> 00:04:12,660 value of of gee corrected for tidal 113 00:04:16,219 --> 00:04:15,000 effects shields you know gravimeters are 114 00:04:17,420 --> 00:04:16,229 capable of seeing the earth tides 115 00:04:19,849 --> 00:04:17,430 because they're very they're very 116 00:04:22,310 --> 00:04:19,859 sensitive you see this unexplained dip 117 00:04:24,380 --> 00:04:22,320 here which is rather interesting and you 118 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:24,390 see a micro gal along this along this 119 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:27,450 line the next one was a 120 00:04:30,980 --> 00:04:29,370 observation by a team led by a guy 121 00:04:32,990 --> 00:04:30,990 called Wang in China I mean this 122 00:04:35,090 --> 00:04:33,000 observation really it seems to me almost 123 00:04:36,830 --> 00:04:35,100 incontrovertible here's the start of the 124 00:04:39,110 --> 00:04:36,840 clips here's the end of the clips 125 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:39,120 shortly before the start the values 126 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:41,730 dropped here then they rose and were 127 00:04:44,210 --> 00:04:43,170 roughly as they should be during the 128 00:04:46,190 --> 00:04:44,220 clips in there towards the end of the 129 00:04:47,900 --> 00:04:46,200 clips it sort of came off this looks 130 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:47,910 like an edge effect this gentle was 131 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:49,530 directly on the centerline of the clips 132 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:51,570 so he was an actually an eclipsed point 133 00:04:56,660 --> 00:04:54,810 of this in this area and the you see 134 00:04:59,060 --> 00:04:56,670 actually there's more effect out just 135 00:05:02,120 --> 00:04:59,070 outside the clips here on this side of 136 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:02,130 the of the of the fourth contact so this 137 00:05:05,690 --> 00:05:03,930 is it I really again don't I don't see 138 00:05:07,550 --> 00:05:05,700 how this this can be controverted easily 139 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:07,560 but you know the world is ignored it 140 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:10,170 okay that is enough for forgiving tours 141 00:05:13,700 --> 00:05:11,610 and I strongly urge you if you can get 142 00:05:15,470 --> 00:05:13,710 hold of them in to Lea's with us we will 143 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:15,480 make suggestions and you can do a very 144 00:05:19,820 --> 00:05:17,010 interesting experiment now they're being 145 00:05:21,380 --> 00:05:19,830 claims of an anomalous observations you 146 00:05:23,870 --> 00:05:21,390 in with the kilometer atomic clocks and 147 00:05:26,270 --> 00:05:23,880 with torsion pendulums by you in China 148 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:26,280 Saxon and Allen in America and Phu 149 00:05:29,330 --> 00:05:28,050 gotchu is in acquaintance of our 150 00:05:32,150 --> 00:05:29,340 colleagues we're in touch with him 151 00:05:34,700 --> 00:05:32,160 however what I want to focus on now is 152 00:05:36,620 --> 00:05:34,710 anomalies in the behavior of delicate 153 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:36,630 pendulums sensitive pendulums which a 154 00:05:40,820 --> 00:05:38,610 professor Harold and I and our colleague 155 00:05:43,220 --> 00:05:40,830 dmitriy olenich II have been working on 156 00:05:45,290 --> 00:05:43,230 for a number of years the these are the 157 00:05:48,910 --> 00:05:45,300 chief anomalous effects of the beam seen 158 00:05:51,950 --> 00:05:48,920 I shall only describe the most the most 159 00:05:54,350 --> 00:05:51,960 clear ones first that I will talk about 160 00:05:57,650 --> 00:05:54,360 the observations that Professor Morris 161 00:05:59,990 --> 00:05:57,660 Allies made in the 50s he performed a 162 00:06:01,490 --> 00:06:00,000 series of marathon experiments using a 163 00:06:03,020 --> 00:06:01,500 so called Pella conical pendulum which 164 00:06:04,850 --> 00:06:03,030 is a pendulum suspect suspended on a 165 00:06:06,020 --> 00:06:04,860 little round ball so that it has three 166 00:06:08,450 --> 00:06:06,030 degrees of freedom it can also rotate 167 00:06:10,810 --> 00:06:08,460 around the vertical axis this is a firt 168 00:06:12,770 --> 00:06:10,820 of poor photograph of his of his 169 00:06:13,970 --> 00:06:12,780 measurement circle with which he read 170 00:06:16,070 --> 00:06:13,980 the position of the pendulum which is 171 00:06:17,330 --> 00:06:16,080 here you can see that this was put this 172 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:17,340 is obviously made of brass it's a pretty 173 00:06:21,860 --> 00:06:18,810 expensive piece of equipment at least 174 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:21,870 this expensive as a car so that's it 175 00:06:27,100 --> 00:06:24,450 oops pardon me now this is a more 176 00:06:29,740 --> 00:06:27,110 general view of music of his equipment 177 00:06:32,390 --> 00:06:29,750 yeah this is these chief of laboratory 178 00:06:37,310 --> 00:06:32,400 operating the pendulum he what he 179 00:06:39,590 --> 00:06:37,320 conducted six series of experimental 180 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:39,600 series each one month long operating the 181 00:06:42,529 --> 00:06:40,289 pendulum twenty 182 00:06:45,079 --> 00:06:42,539 four hours a day releasing it in other 183 00:06:46,459 --> 00:06:45,089 words about about a thousand times no 184 00:06:48,889 --> 00:06:46,469 not a thousand about a hundred times 185 00:06:51,019 --> 00:06:48,899 during the day and night with a team of 186 00:06:53,420 --> 00:06:51,029 seven people this was pretty marathan 187 00:06:55,339 --> 00:06:53,430 thing to do and the people not had to be 188 00:06:56,570 --> 00:06:55,349 trained to read the pendulum read the 189 00:06:59,089 --> 00:06:56,580 movement of the pendulum as well as 190 00:07:01,519 --> 00:06:59,099 simply release it and that was not cheap 191 00:07:03,019 --> 00:07:01,529 let me tell you he fought he claimed to 192 00:07:05,359 --> 00:07:03,029 observe systematical anomalies in the 193 00:07:06,859 --> 00:07:05,369 motion of the pendulum nothing to do 194 00:07:08,389 --> 00:07:06,869 with the clips is which he has 195 00:07:10,790 --> 00:07:08,399 attributed to an ionizer to be a space 196 00:07:12,799 --> 00:07:10,800 this is not consistent with physics as 197 00:07:15,679 --> 00:07:12,809 we know it but anyway that was that is 198 00:07:17,899 --> 00:07:15,689 his claim however in 1954 there was a 199 00:07:19,969 --> 00:07:17,909 partial eclipse in Paris it will the 200 00:07:22,850 --> 00:07:19,979 line of totality was a good 800 miles 201 00:07:24,019 --> 00:07:22,860 away from where he was and he didn't 202 00:07:25,820 --> 00:07:24,029 expect anything it was a purely 203 00:07:27,619 --> 00:07:25,830 accidental observational serendipitous 204 00:07:29,540 --> 00:07:27,629 that you own the pet during the Eclipse 205 00:07:33,230 --> 00:07:29,550 this is the track of the motion of the 206 00:07:36,589 --> 00:07:33,240 pendulum you see it's pretty you know 207 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:36,599 it's pretty brutal and he had no idea 208 00:07:41,269 --> 00:07:38,490 that this was going to happen but in a 209 00:07:42,230 --> 00:07:41,279 purely accidental observation well 210 00:07:44,119 --> 00:07:42,240 that's pretty interesting 211 00:07:47,420 --> 00:07:44,129 and again there's no clear explanation 212 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:47,430 for why it would do that to say to the 213 00:07:50,449 --> 00:07:49,050 gravitational effect sort of begs the 214 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:50,459 question because it's not according to 215 00:07:53,119 --> 00:07:52,050 conventional theories of gravitation it 216 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:53,129 may be nothing to do with gravitational 217 00:07:57,199 --> 00:07:54,930 ad something else anyway 218 00:08:00,049 --> 00:07:57,209 I became interested in this matter so 219 00:08:02,209 --> 00:08:00,059 did a professor professor ala Nietzsche 220 00:08:03,709 --> 00:08:02,219 and a chap in called mihaela in 221 00:08:05,209 --> 00:08:03,719 Bucharest professor McKay and also 222 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:05,219 became interested quite independently 223 00:08:09,079 --> 00:08:06,930 and we could strike to various apparatus 224 00:08:11,329 --> 00:08:09,089 now this is an interesting observation I 225 00:08:14,149 --> 00:08:11,339 was in Portugal for an eclipse in 2005 226 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:14,159 with my apparatus professor Michaela was 227 00:08:18,259 --> 00:08:15,930 in Bucharest with his apparatus and 228 00:08:19,969 --> 00:08:18,269 professor ala Nietzsche was in such Java 229 00:08:22,489 --> 00:08:19,979 northern Romania for his apparatus so 230 00:08:25,339 --> 00:08:22,499 these these three graphs were taking 231 00:08:27,589 --> 00:08:25,349 taken for the same eclipse in late 2005 232 00:08:28,939 --> 00:08:27,599 in widely separated positions now all of 233 00:08:30,709 --> 00:08:28,949 the movements are not particularly great 234 00:08:32,209 --> 00:08:30,719 in terms of the normal movements and 235 00:08:33,949 --> 00:08:32,219 pendulum any way that variations 236 00:08:36,709 --> 00:08:33,959 you'll notice that all three graphs 237 00:08:38,059 --> 00:08:36,719 though have a bottom have a have a 238 00:08:39,829 --> 00:08:38,069 minimum around the time of the Eclipse 239 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:39,839 which is rather interesting I'm not 240 00:08:43,939 --> 00:08:41,370 putting this forward as definitive but I 241 00:08:46,670 --> 00:08:43,949 consider it very suggestive that's right 242 00:08:48,769 --> 00:08:46,680 that's what we saw in 2005 now in 2008 243 00:08:50,540 --> 00:08:48,779 we were operating in Eastern Europe it 244 00:08:53,150 --> 00:08:50,550 in a town in northern Romania called 245 00:08:53,560 --> 00:08:53,160 sutiaba I had this rather fine equipment 246 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:53,570 to Bill 247 00:08:57,550 --> 00:08:56,210 which is a very solid tripod with the 248 00:09:00,370 --> 00:08:57,560 power conical pendulum in it and a 249 00:09:02,410 --> 00:09:00,380 automatic recording system I also in 250 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:02,420 parallel operated a manual pendulum of 251 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:05,450 the same dimensions and and the same 252 00:09:08,590 --> 00:09:07,250 dimensions and specification but in a 253 00:09:11,140 --> 00:09:08,600 different direction in a different 254 00:09:11,560 --> 00:09:11,150 azimuth or orientation in a separate 255 00:09:14,950 --> 00:09:11,570 room 256 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:14,960 Prof and professor allen Ichi operated a 257 00:09:23,110 --> 00:09:18,290 19 metre long pendulum in a extremely 258 00:09:26,260 --> 00:09:23,120 solid medieval clock tower and 500 259 00:09:27,190 --> 00:09:26,270 kilometers away from us in Kiev unknown 260 00:09:32,260 --> 00:09:27,200 to us at the time 261 00:09:35,020 --> 00:09:32,270 professor pugach of the Natalie Academy 262 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:35,030 in in Ukraine it was operating some 263 00:09:38,620 --> 00:09:36,890 several small torsion balances so we 264 00:09:40,330 --> 00:09:38,630 were all operating together or but I 265 00:09:41,590 --> 00:09:40,340 undaunted she knew one another but we 266 00:09:42,700 --> 00:09:41,600 didn't know the existence of lagash at 267 00:09:44,740 --> 00:09:42,710 that time ok 268 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:44,750 what happened was ok this is what bugak 269 00:09:48,340 --> 00:09:47,090 saw on his torsion balances there's 270 00:09:50,680 --> 00:09:48,350 several of them you see one two three 271 00:09:52,990 --> 00:09:50,690 four they behave differently but there 272 00:09:56,290 --> 00:09:53,000 is a certain jump in in this one this 273 00:09:57,550 --> 00:09:56,300 one and this one not in that one at the 274 00:09:59,890 --> 00:09:57,560 time of the clips are slightly out 275 00:10:03,580 --> 00:09:59,900 somewhat after Tmax you see in the 276 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:03,590 second part of the clips meanwhile these 277 00:10:05,500 --> 00:10:04,970 are my these are my results with my two 278 00:10:07,060 --> 00:10:05,510 pendulums 279 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:07,070 the automatic pendulum which I was 280 00:10:11,830 --> 00:10:10,130 operating this is the chart of how it 281 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:11,840 behaved during their clips and the 282 00:10:16,510 --> 00:10:13,730 manual pendulum which I was working 283 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:16,520 myself did this as you can see these are 284 00:10:20,140 --> 00:10:17,930 pretty well synchronized with one 285 00:10:22,210 --> 00:10:20,150 another these at these dips and with a 286 00:10:23,500 --> 00:10:22,220 little luck jump in the middle and they 287 00:10:24,850 --> 00:10:23,510 were they were after the end of the 288 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:24,860 total eclipse where we were somewhat 289 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:28,730 after and now but the real start Allah 290 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:30,650 is what Professor Lin hu saw which is 291 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:33,650 here you see these are this this relates 292 00:10:38,710 --> 00:10:34,970 to the amount of precession of the 293 00:10:40,060 --> 00:10:38,720 pendulum in about in what he did every 294 00:10:42,010 --> 00:10:40,070 seven minutes in 35 minutes 295 00:10:44,380 --> 00:10:42,020 this is a long pendulum therefore very 296 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:44,390 stable the longer the pendulum is in 297 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:46,250 general the most stable is its behavior 298 00:10:53,350 --> 00:10:48,770 and he had a 19 meter long pendulum and 299 00:10:56,350 --> 00:10:53,360 you see this this glut one at 11:15 UT 300 00:10:58,690 --> 00:10:56,360 is relates to this line the pendulum 301 00:11:00,370 --> 00:10:58,700 clearly possessed more than all the 302 00:11:03,610 --> 00:11:00,380 other than in all the other 35-minute 303 00:11:05,350 --> 00:11:03,620 ones and I mean again I don't really see 304 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:05,360 that this appears incontrovertible to me 305 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:06,890 I don't really see how anyone could 306 00:11:09,010 --> 00:11:07,370 argue that 307 00:11:10,750 --> 00:11:09,020 that this is not due to some real 308 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:10,760 physical effect so those are our 309 00:11:14,500 --> 00:11:13,250 litigious results and put all together 310 00:11:15,850 --> 00:11:14,510 the three of us the other very 311 00:11:17,860 --> 00:11:15,860 noticeable thing is all three of us 312 00:11:19,860 --> 00:11:17,870 noticed Ikes our defects that we 313 00:11:23,620 --> 00:11:19,870 observed somewhat after the Eclipse 314 00:11:25,690 --> 00:11:23,630 displaced displaced later later than the 315 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:25,700 central time of the clips and for three 316 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:28,330 of us to see this independently is 317 00:11:33,700 --> 00:11:31,610 actually it is mutually supportive okay 318 00:11:35,950 --> 00:11:33,710 this is my conclusion until time and 319 00:11:37,930 --> 00:11:35,960 I've maintained it now I consider it an 320 00:11:39,790 --> 00:11:37,940 escapable conclusion but after the end 321 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:39,800 of the visible Eclipse as the moon left 322 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:41,930 the Sun some influence exerted itself on 323 00:11:44,650 --> 00:11:43,610 our region containing our equipment 324 00:11:46,630 --> 00:11:44,660 extending over field of at least 325 00:11:48,250 --> 00:11:46,640 hundreds of kilometers in width oh and I 326 00:11:50,230 --> 00:11:48,260 maintained this because I don't think 327 00:11:51,700 --> 00:11:50,240 I'm not saying that it even that it's an 328 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:51,710 anomalous effect I'm saying that there 329 00:11:58,210 --> 00:11:52,970 was some such effect and I don't know 330 00:11:59,890 --> 00:11:58,220 what it was okay now professor belt in 331 00:12:01,240 --> 00:11:59,900 Japan along with myself he took his 332 00:12:03,220 --> 00:12:01,250 equipment to Japan for an eclipse in 333 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:03,230 Japan I observed no anomaly at that time 334 00:12:07,630 --> 00:12:06,170 he observed an anomaly which it's not 335 00:12:09,970 --> 00:12:07,640 it's not you see there's the the 336 00:12:12,220 --> 00:12:09,980 Gaussian curve he I don't completely 337 00:12:14,380 --> 00:12:12,230 understand this method of analysis but 338 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:14,390 he observed in an anomaly during the 339 00:12:18,610 --> 00:12:16,610 actual eclipse of a greater procession 340 00:12:20,949 --> 00:12:18,620 about an addition to about one third of 341 00:12:23,380 --> 00:12:20,959 what the normal Foucault effect is okay 342 00:12:24,579 --> 00:12:23,390 now subsequent to that time professor 343 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:24,589 Allah teaches been building a 344 00:12:29,079 --> 00:12:26,330 specialized building in his hat and his 345 00:12:30,370 --> 00:12:29,089 place in northern Romania for housing 346 00:12:32,260 --> 00:12:30,380 pendulums that this is it's under 347 00:12:33,790 --> 00:12:32,270 construction here you see here's the 348 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:33,800 here's the pendulum Tyler sticking up 349 00:12:37,780 --> 00:12:35,330 from there and the pendulum is pendel 350 00:12:39,460 --> 00:12:37,790 operating room is down here the woman is 351 00:12:41,740 --> 00:12:39,470 now completed it's a bit much bigger now 352 00:12:43,930 --> 00:12:41,750 and it holds too it's purely for 353 00:12:47,620 --> 00:12:43,940 operating pendulums yes too long 354 00:12:49,810 --> 00:12:47,630 pendulum is about six meters long so and 355 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:49,820 now actually I'll show you it in a 356 00:12:53,769 --> 00:12:52,370 moment I'll now explain the construction 357 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:53,779 of the pendulum which we have in the 358 00:12:56,260 --> 00:12:55,010 room over there which you may see and 359 00:12:58,690 --> 00:12:56,270 which is the pendulum we recommend 360 00:13:01,210 --> 00:12:58,700 people to use over the pattern which we 361 00:13:02,980 --> 00:13:01,220 recommend during the clips next year the 362 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:02,990 suspension is absolutely foolproof it 363 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:04,970 has a 1 meter rod which bends to and fro 364 00:13:09,310 --> 00:13:07,490 this suspension is due to professor volt 365 00:13:12,190 --> 00:13:09,320 even call it the veldt can't cantilever 366 00:13:13,990 --> 00:13:12,200 suspension it has the it has the great 367 00:13:16,420 --> 00:13:14,000 advantage is absolutely foolproof and 368 00:13:18,190 --> 00:13:16,430 requires no maintenance there's a a wire 369 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:18,200 hanging down from that and I would 370 00:13:21,199 --> 00:13:19,850 recommend a pen to have about five 371 00:13:22,819 --> 00:13:21,209 meters of wire 372 00:13:25,989 --> 00:13:22,829 there's a Bob there Bob of the ala 373 00:13:28,609 --> 00:13:25,999 Nietzsche style which is lenticular and 374 00:13:29,809 --> 00:13:28,619 therefore is is symmetrical and has the 375 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:29,819 least possible air resistance he 376 00:13:34,850 --> 00:13:32,610 invented this Bob and under that there's 377 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:34,860 an alle dad which means a device for 378 00:13:41,019 --> 00:13:37,410 determining actor for determine azimuth 379 00:13:43,639 --> 00:13:41,029 direction in space which is my invention 380 00:13:44,900 --> 00:13:43,649 consisting it is the optical isla dad 381 00:13:47,210 --> 00:13:44,910 with four light beams in an M for 382 00:13:48,769 --> 00:13:47,220 configuration and a little point on the 383 00:13:50,179 --> 00:13:48,779 bottom of the Bob interrupts the 384 00:13:52,220 --> 00:13:50,189 interrupts these light beams as it goes 385 00:13:53,989 --> 00:13:52,230 to enthroned we take the timings from 386 00:13:55,819 --> 00:13:53,999 this and some complex software which 387 00:13:57,499 --> 00:13:55,829 again I wrote determines the four 388 00:14:00,919 --> 00:13:57,509 important parameters the pendulum motion 389 00:14:02,389 --> 00:14:00,929 the period the amplitude the azimuth of 390 00:14:04,249 --> 00:14:02,399 the major axis of the ellipse of 391 00:14:05,689 --> 00:14:04,259 swinging and the semi minor axis of the 392 00:14:08,359 --> 00:14:05,699 ellipse in other words the eccentricity 393 00:14:10,100 --> 00:14:08,369 which gradually develop 394 00:14:13,100 --> 00:14:10,110 but sometimes any weight has a complex 395 00:14:18,590 --> 00:14:13,110 patterns which we can determine okay now 396 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:18,600 here is and here is that a video of the 397 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:20,730 launch of our pendulum in Romania by 398 00:14:29,059 --> 00:14:25,290 dmitriy olenich II here it goes this is 399 00:14:31,100 --> 00:14:29,069 the Ali dad consisting or in this case a 400 00:14:32,780 --> 00:14:31,110 four vernier photogate switch our I 401 00:14:35,090 --> 00:14:32,790 think many of you will know what those 402 00:14:36,739 --> 00:14:35,100 are they are available in many physics 403 00:14:37,850 --> 00:14:36,749 laboratories and they added and the 404 00:14:39,470 --> 00:14:37,860 little point on the bottom of the 405 00:14:41,269 --> 00:14:39,480 pendulum which you cannot see interrupts 406 00:14:42,650 --> 00:14:41,279 the photo gates and gives us sixteen 407 00:14:43,910 --> 00:14:42,660 events in each complete cycle of the 408 00:14:45,470 --> 00:14:43,920 pendulum eight one way and then eight 409 00:14:47,359 --> 00:14:45,480 the other way on off on off on off on 410 00:14:49,519 --> 00:14:47,369 off one way and then back again doing 411 00:14:51,530 --> 00:14:49,529 the same thing and we collect hundreds 412 00:14:53,989 --> 00:14:51,540 and thousands of numbers from this and 413 00:14:56,780 --> 00:14:53,999 that finally gives us the results okay 414 00:14:57,980 --> 00:14:56,790 now I'm going to hand over to Professor 415 00:15:03,850 --> 00:14:57,990 felts who's going to discuss the real 416 00:15:09,859 --> 00:15:06,829 okay they're very good I think well I 417 00:15:15,590 --> 00:15:09,869 have to go this Mike if if I get tired 418 00:15:18,609 --> 00:15:15,600 and there yeah please okay let's go now 419 00:15:23,289 --> 00:15:18,619 to some more physics of the pendulum 420 00:15:27,530 --> 00:15:23,299 well I want to go to the theory here but 421 00:15:29,559 --> 00:15:27,540 the intention is to demonstrate what 422 00:15:31,420 --> 00:15:29,569 that we have a rigorous scientific 423 00:15:33,970 --> 00:15:31,430 approach to 424 00:15:36,810 --> 00:15:33,980 pendulum experiments before trimming 425 00:15:39,490 --> 00:15:36,820 anomalous behavior what must one must 426 00:15:42,610 --> 00:15:39,500 know the precise classical physics 427 00:15:44,500 --> 00:15:42,620 behind the pendulum Foucault pendulum is 428 00:15:48,550 --> 00:15:44,510 generally presented in textbooks as an 429 00:15:50,380 --> 00:15:48,560 idea is the 2d I'm gonna cost later but 430 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:50,390 in fact that system is much more 431 00:15:57,370 --> 00:15:52,850 complicated in it could be considered as 432 00:16:00,400 --> 00:15:57,380 a very low speed gyroscope with highly 433 00:16:08,139 --> 00:16:00,410 nonlinear response actually sad thank 434 00:16:11,710 --> 00:16:08,149 you inhale and and then reopened Roma 435 00:16:13,420 --> 00:16:11,720 are inherently I said anisotropic that 436 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:13,430 means that they have to different eigen 437 00:16:21,190 --> 00:16:17,570 frequencies for different directions at 438 00:16:23,829 --> 00:16:21,200 90 degrees so the observer nominee is 439 00:16:25,630 --> 00:16:23,839 actually appear in the form of the time 440 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:25,640 dependence of the orientation of those 441 00:16:34,870 --> 00:16:32,170 eigen axis and say this is a sample of 442 00:16:36,750 --> 00:16:34,880 pure measurement to determine the eigen 443 00:16:40,449 --> 00:16:36,760 axis and then once it and the slow axis 444 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:40,459 where was is a maximum period by the way 445 00:16:44,590 --> 00:16:42,290 the period precision is the point one 446 00:16:47,519 --> 00:16:44,600 part in 1 million in our measurements 447 00:16:54,630 --> 00:16:51,910 Cameron owners actually mid his doctoral 448 00:16:58,060 --> 00:16:54,640 thesis on the Foucault pendulum and 449 00:17:01,590 --> 00:16:58,070 especially studied the anisotropy of the 450 00:17:08,370 --> 00:17:04,380 is the question that finally suggest 451 00:17:14,460 --> 00:17:08,380 that this the the behavior can be 452 00:17:18,540 --> 00:17:14,470 modeled on on a sphere so actually the 453 00:17:22,100 --> 00:17:18,550 each each elliptical orbit can be 454 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:22,110 transferred to the geographical 455 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:24,490 longitude and latitude of the of the 456 00:17:33,540 --> 00:17:29,890 sphere so then actually than the the 457 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:33,550 equator contains the rectilinear of 458 00:17:45,360 --> 00:17:38,410 oscillations and the upper hemisphere is 459 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:45,370 for it's for left-handed ellipse and the 460 00:17:50,940 --> 00:17:48,730 other one the the other side what 461 00:17:54,030 --> 00:17:50,950 happens then with this representation is 462 00:17:57,870 --> 00:17:54,040 that we can model the the behavior with 463 00:18:01,050 --> 00:17:57,880 time of the pendulum as a circle on that 464 00:18:02,790 --> 00:18:01,060 sphere yeah you're too modest when a you 465 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:02,800 know you say that this new modernization 466 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:05,290 isn't a lead you to you yes yeah that's 467 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:06,570 all right 468 00:18:14,100 --> 00:18:11,530 okay enough two minutes and if I if I 469 00:18:16,890 --> 00:18:14,110 use this model now back to the to the 470 00:18:19,890 --> 00:18:16,900 original data of Camilla Knowles then we 471 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:19,900 see that these data actually fall on 472 00:18:27,690 --> 00:18:23,770 that circle and in our own experiments 473 00:18:30,150 --> 00:18:27,700 then we suggest that we experiment 474 00:18:32,850 --> 00:18:30,160 experiment around the bottom part of 475 00:18:37,470 --> 00:18:32,860 that circle that we saw there so that 476 00:18:41,460 --> 00:18:37,480 bottom azimuth actually is the slow axis 477 00:18:45,120 --> 00:18:41,470 azimuth and the animal is usually short 478 00:18:47,580 --> 00:18:45,130 as a variation in time of that sort okay 479 00:18:48,930 --> 00:18:47,590 we can just drag it yeah man the blue 480 00:18:50,340 --> 00:18:48,940 dots are actually the actual 481 00:18:53,910 --> 00:18:50,350 experimental data that we've received 482 00:18:55,530 --> 00:18:53,920 the red line is a quadratic quadratic 483 00:18:57,630 --> 00:18:55,540 trend line and you see how extremely 484 00:18:59,040 --> 00:18:57,640 accurate our pendulum is look how 485 00:19:03,060 --> 00:18:59,050 closely fitting is it's real it really 486 00:19:04,650 --> 00:19:03,070 surprised me myself here's his rep his 487 00:19:07,260 --> 00:19:04,660 reference now I'll finish off we've got 488 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:07,270 one minute okay now that if we can 489 00:19:11,940 --> 00:19:09,490 persuade some people possibly you or 490 00:19:13,740 --> 00:19:11,950 friends of yours to set up pendulums 491 00:19:15,270 --> 00:19:13,750 it should not be thought of as the one 492 00:19:17,310 --> 00:19:15,280 experiment that can only be done during 493 00:19:19,290 --> 00:19:17,320 the solar eclipse the upcoming eclipse 494 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:19,300 you can use it from long time as a 495 00:19:21,540 --> 00:19:21,010 teaching aid the in physics of the 496 00:19:23,340 --> 00:19:21,550 pendulum 497 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:23,350 even without anomalous is extremely 498 00:19:27,510 --> 00:19:25,690 extremely interesting and important 499 00:19:29,100 --> 00:19:27,520 there some students look at a pendulum 500 00:19:31,620 --> 00:19:29,110 furthermore there are two more 501 00:19:33,420 --> 00:19:31,630 opportunities for you for very much the 502 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:33,430 same things enough annual ellipse 503 00:19:38,370 --> 00:19:35,890 crosses America in 2023 like that and 504 00:19:39,930 --> 00:19:38,380 there's a total eclipse in 2024 505 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:39,940 you could even with guard an experiment 506 00:19:45,150 --> 00:19:42,570 in 2017 as a rehearsal for these two and 507 00:19:46,710 --> 00:19:45,160 basically I think that this is a 508 00:19:48,870 --> 00:19:46,720 challenge to America to find out 509 00:19:50,460 --> 00:19:48,880 something new and remember the great 510 00:19:52,260 --> 00:19:50,470 advantage of organizing an experiment of 511 00:19:54,420 --> 00:19:52,270 this sort is that you don't have to be 512 00:19:56,610 --> 00:19:54,430 on the path of the Illit of the Eclipse 513 00:19:58,880 --> 00:19:56,620 anywhere in America or even Canada I 514 00:20:01,680 --> 00:19:58,890 must or Mexico will be a very will be 515 00:20:03,930 --> 00:20:01,690 experience a partial partial eclipse and 516 00:20:05,820 --> 00:20:03,940 it will be the data will be equally 517 00:20:08,460 --> 00:20:05,830 valuable as you see in the previous 518 00:20:10,140 --> 00:20:08,470 analyses some of the effects would were 519 00:20:11,340 --> 00:20:10,150 seen at the very end or the very 520 00:20:13,230 --> 00:20:11,350 beginning of the clips in other words 521 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:13,240 when the moon was virtually just 522 00:20:18,300 --> 00:20:16,690 touching the Sun in the sky so don't 523 00:20:20,370 --> 00:20:18,310 think I'm out to the path it's not worth 524 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:20,380 it if you live if you live down there or 525 00:20:24,630 --> 00:20:22,330 you live up here live up here or up here 526 00:20:27,150 --> 00:20:24,640 wherever you're such a result will be an 527 00:20:29,130 --> 00:20:27,160 extreme interest and really compared to 528 00:20:30,630 --> 00:20:29,140 the cost of other and original physics 529 00:20:32,190 --> 00:20:30,640 experiments the cost is absolutely 530 00:20:37,140 --> 00:20:32,200 minimal okay thank you very much 531 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:37,150 gentlemen ladies and gentlemen thank you 532 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:39,850 for the interesting presentation do we 533 00:20:50,310 --> 00:20:47,170 have questions so the main effect that 534 00:20:52,110 --> 00:20:50,320 you observed was a small change in the 535 00:20:54,060 --> 00:20:52,120 gravitational fields apparent 536 00:20:56,970 --> 00:20:54,070 gravitational field strength I wouldn't 537 00:20:58,560 --> 00:20:56,980 say that for the pendulum for the for 538 00:21:01,920 --> 00:20:58,570 gravimeters the only thing they can 539 00:21:04,110 --> 00:21:01,930 measure is that the direction of the 540 00:21:07,650 --> 00:21:04,120 direction of gravity in the downward 541 00:21:10,620 --> 00:21:07,660 direction and but in the variations are 542 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:10,630 very small with pendulums the the 543 00:21:15,270 --> 00:21:13,570 effects may so far that have been seen 544 00:21:16,830 --> 00:21:15,280 and be manifested in a variation of the 545 00:21:18,630 --> 00:21:16,840 precession wait because you know a 546 00:21:20,070 --> 00:21:18,640 Foucault pendulum processes as it you 547 00:21:21,860 --> 00:21:20,080 know and it swings to and fro the 548 00:21:23,940 --> 00:21:21,870 direction of swinging gladly processes 549 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:23,950 clockwise in their.all hemisphere so 550 00:21:27,570 --> 00:21:24,970 there's really not much of an 551 00:21:30,150 --> 00:21:27,580 explanation at all for that well 552 00:21:31,470 --> 00:21:30,160 no you see it's an act this is an 553 00:21:33,630 --> 00:21:31,480 unexplained phenomena this is the point 554 00:21:35,580 --> 00:21:33,640 and we want to basically we want to have 555 00:21:37,980 --> 00:21:35,590 as many possible replications in America 556 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:37,990 into and 21st of August 2017 as possible 557 00:21:41,940 --> 00:21:40,330 because at the moment some guy sees it 558 00:21:43,890 --> 00:21:41,950 and sees something in an eclipse you've 559 00:21:46,140 --> 00:21:43,900 seen the type of thing okay well well 560 00:21:47,790 --> 00:21:46,150 maybe he was drunk maybe he's lying who 561 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:47,800 knows but if you've got six or seven 562 00:21:51,390 --> 00:21:49,570 people reporting anomalies correlated 563 00:21:53,010 --> 00:21:51,400 with the same Eclipse then such 564 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:53,020 explanations can no longer be maintained 565 00:21:58,740 --> 00:21:56,770 just word actually this changes the end 566 00:22:00,510 --> 00:21:58,750 yet and isotropy okay or depends on 567 00:22:01,980 --> 00:22:00,520 Michael yeah that's the way that's how 568 00:22:03,990 --> 00:22:01,990 it manifests its no how about the 569 00:22:06,030 --> 00:22:04,000 torsion pendulum you mention it but I 570 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:06,040 don't think you actually that's torsion 571 00:22:09,900 --> 00:22:08,410 pendulum a large torsion pendulum which 572 00:22:11,610 --> 00:22:09,910 you know you twist it it kind of goes 573 00:22:13,770 --> 00:22:11,620 like that and comes back and comes back 574 00:22:17,100 --> 00:22:13,780 the only thing you well in theory the 575 00:22:18,750 --> 00:22:17,110 only thing you can observe no no in in 576 00:22:21,870 --> 00:22:18,760 prejudice theory the only thing you can 577 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:21,880 observe is the period and a variation of 578 00:22:27,150 --> 00:22:24,010 the period was noticed in 1970 mice Axl 579 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:27,160 and Alan however actually you see the 580 00:22:30,390 --> 00:22:28,450 Pentium hangs down it might possibly 581 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:30,400 also act as a stationary pendulum you 582 00:22:32,850 --> 00:22:31,570 know in other words the direction of 583 00:22:34,980 --> 00:22:32,860 gravity might change slightly 584 00:22:36,780 --> 00:22:34,990 and many torsion pendulum is not set up 585 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:36,790 to show that it depends on the 586 00:22:40,770 --> 00:22:38,890 instrumentation a colleague of ours a 587 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:40,780 professor Casella Finland thinks he 588 00:22:45,270 --> 00:22:42,010 detected something like that in an 589 00:22:46,980 --> 00:22:45,280 eclipse in 1991 in Mexico but he wasn't 590 00:22:49,530 --> 00:22:46,990 fully instrumented you see you need i 591 00:22:51,510 --> 00:22:49,540 any apparatus with somebody sets up 592 00:22:53,070 --> 00:22:51,520 should be instrumented so that all 593 00:22:55,140 --> 00:22:53,080 possible deviations can be monitored 594 00:22:56,910 --> 00:22:55,150 however I consider that it's very 595 00:22:58,740 --> 00:22:56,920 important to have several sets of 596 00:23:03,650 --> 00:22:58,750 standardized apparatus so that we can 597 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:03,660 compare or apples to apples thank you I 598 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:05,890 have a question in the comments so the 599 00:23:10,110 --> 00:23:08,050 question is how large is the effect on 600 00:23:12,060 --> 00:23:10,120 the on the gravimeter so that refer to 601 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:12,070 the scale I could notice that one milli 602 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:13,450 gal several million 603 00:23:19,890 --> 00:23:17,530 quite clear to us what Michael got keep 604 00:23:21,420 --> 00:23:19,900 saying that several micro gal not very 605 00:23:23,870 --> 00:23:21,430 large but quite clearly noticeable as 606 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:23,880 you can see for these my comment is that 607 00:23:30,540 --> 00:23:27,970 unless you do a statistical analysis you 608 00:23:33,180 --> 00:23:30,550 will not convince anyone so I think you 609 00:23:34,740 --> 00:23:33,190 need a statistical analysis yes ideally 610 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:34,750 what several parameters don't like the 611 00:23:39,990 --> 00:23:39,010 background yes but you see let's go up 612 00:23:42,660 --> 00:23:40,000 here 613 00:23:44,980 --> 00:23:42,670 but for say for example look at the one 614 00:23:47,470 --> 00:23:44,990 that gravimeter was taking many many 615 00:23:48,790 --> 00:23:47,480 many readings and then it you know it's 616 00:23:49,930 --> 00:23:48,800 not just one reading its taking a 617 00:23:51,910 --> 00:23:49,940 reading every second or something like 618 00:23:54,100 --> 00:23:51,920 that and there are a lot of readings I 619 00:23:56,980 --> 00:23:54,110 agree that ideally there'll be several 620 00:23:58,600 --> 00:23:56,990 of limiters doing their job and so that 621 00:24:00,370 --> 00:23:58,610 you can't just say well it was broken 622 00:24:02,110 --> 00:24:00,380 because it could be you see yeah I'm 623 00:24:04,180 --> 00:24:02,120 just saying that's for example for the 624 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:04,190 gravity meter you have to come compare 625 00:24:08,500 --> 00:24:06,890 the data to what you see over one one 626 00:24:11,710 --> 00:24:08,510 year and oh yeah so absolutely 627 00:24:14,860 --> 00:24:11,720 absolutely this Memphis but we have like 628 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:14,870 a like a like a significance of the 629 00:24:19,120 --> 00:24:16,730 effect do we have a number for that I 630 00:24:20,980 --> 00:24:19,130 haven't got the number know these in the 631 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:20,990 Wang it's pretty good and I think he 632 00:24:23,260 --> 00:24:22,010 does have a number somewhere in it the 633 00:24:27,490 --> 00:24:23,270 Wang report which was in Physical Review 634 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:27,500 the do valve I think he did some kind of 635 00:24:32,590 --> 00:24:29,930 analysis of that sort didn't he Sigma 636 00:24:33,820 --> 00:24:32,600 Vishwas report is very this is this is 637 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:33,830 just my point it's nice if you 638 00:24:37,180 --> 00:24:35,210 understand all the physics of your 639 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:37,190 pendulum but you need to go to 640 00:24:42,070 --> 00:24:39,530 statistically oh yes certainly certainly 641 00:24:43,780 --> 00:24:42,080 analysis certainly and certainly 642 00:24:46,420 --> 00:24:43,790 duplication with several sets of 643 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:46,430 equipment is extremely important so I 644 00:24:51,010 --> 00:24:48,890 want to say that first I love your 645 00:24:52,900 --> 00:24:51,020 enthusiasm well thank you I mean I'm not 646 00:24:54,370 --> 00:24:52,910 a practice speaker I explain it all in 647 00:24:56,020 --> 00:24:54,380 the short time available and I also 648 00:24:58,300 --> 00:24:56,030 really love the idea of having a 649 00:24:59,650 --> 00:24:58,310 large-scale experiment with a lot of 650 00:25:02,470 --> 00:24:59,660 people involved yes you're getting a 651 00:25:04,270 --> 00:25:02,480 cheap way under cheap one I was 652 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:04,280 wondering though what you know a lot of 653 00:25:07,900 --> 00:25:05,690 times when people have so much 654 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:07,910 enthusiasm and so much excitement and 655 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:10,610 they're expecting or looking for a 656 00:25:14,890 --> 00:25:13,250 specific outcome experimenter effect 657 00:25:17,590 --> 00:25:14,900 comes into play I'd wonder if you 658 00:25:19,900 --> 00:25:17,600 considered psychokinesis or PK well I'd 659 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:19,910 be affecting your pendulums could I this 660 00:25:26,050 --> 00:25:22,490 is this is something that we cannot 661 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:26,060 exclude however um perhaps the best way 662 00:25:31,180 --> 00:25:29,690 to exclude it you see very often the 663 00:25:32,380 --> 00:25:31,190 pendulum will not be in the clips trap 664 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:32,390 they'll be off it so there will be no 665 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:34,690 great excitement by the event itself and 666 00:25:40,660 --> 00:25:39,050 indeed because we have the automated 667 00:25:43,030 --> 00:25:40,670 monitoring system which is pretty 668 00:25:45,340 --> 00:25:43,040 accurate the only thing needed is some 669 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:45,350 thought for the operator is that say 670 00:25:49,390 --> 00:25:47,210 every year every 40 minutes or something 671 00:25:50,650 --> 00:25:49,400 he stops the pendulum he brings it off 672 00:25:53,020 --> 00:25:50,660 to the side he attaches it with a little 673 00:25:54,790 --> 00:25:53,030 cord he steadies it he way 674 00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:54,800 for a couple of minutes that come down 675 00:25:58,300 --> 00:25:56,930 and then he burns the cord so then he 676 00:25:59,890 --> 00:25:58,310 presses the right button on the computer 677 00:26:01,990 --> 00:25:59,900 to start up the recording again and he 678 00:26:04,510 --> 00:26:02,000 places the cord you see it's not very 679 00:26:07,540 --> 00:26:04,520 exciting and he doesn't even really have 680 00:26:09,070 --> 00:26:07,550 to know when the clips is and enormous 681 00:26:10,390 --> 00:26:09,080 the quantities of numbers come flowing 682 00:26:13,990 --> 00:26:10,400 down the screen but they mean nothing to 683 00:26:15,940 --> 00:26:14,000 him furthermore we hope that the in such 684 00:26:17,980 --> 00:26:15,950 an experiment we people will organize a 685 00:26:20,020 --> 00:26:17,990 small team perhaps of students to 686 00:26:21,940 --> 00:26:20,030 operate the pendulum for about five days 687 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:21,950 over the Eclipse non-stop it's not very 688 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:23,810 hard work really you know you can you 689 00:26:26,830 --> 00:26:25,250 can do six hours of its standing on your 690 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:26,840 head so if you had like four people 691 00:26:31,180 --> 00:26:28,850 doing six hours six hours six hours six 692 00:26:33,190 --> 00:26:31,190 hours you could happily operate for fire 693 00:26:34,360 --> 00:26:33,200 for five days what the day of the 694 00:26:35,890 --> 00:26:34,370 clipped two days before the day and the 695 00:26:36,970 --> 00:26:35,900 clips and the day after and they don't 696 00:26:38,860 --> 00:26:36,980 really have to know much about their 697 00:26:41,290 --> 00:26:38,870 clips they don't have to watch TV so I 698 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:41,300 you know that the chance that they will 699 00:26:45,310 --> 00:26:43,730 see that they clips is enough it's not 700 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:45,320 going to happen because ideally you will 701 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:46,730 try and keep them as a divorce from the 702 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:48,770 mat as possible ideally housewives will 703 00:26:52,030 --> 00:26:50,090 have note the slightest interest in the 704 00:26:55,750 --> 00:26:52,040 clips would be the best possible later 705 00:26:58,300 --> 00:26:55,760 and racer by by varying the experimenter 706 00:27:00,340 --> 00:26:58,310 you can help to dissipate yes but we 707 00:27:02,050 --> 00:27:00,350 have with it yes but in this situation 708 00:27:05,020 --> 00:27:02,060 we have abs we have absolutely no 709 00:27:07,180 --> 00:27:05,030 operator effect Alice was plagued by a 710 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:07,190 Pareto effect in his operations because 711 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:09,410 reading the pendulum by staking sites 712 00:27:12,970 --> 00:27:10,610 with the cycling method and so on 713 00:27:14,220 --> 00:27:12,980 inevitably involves inviting when you 714 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:14,230 change the operator the results change 715 00:27:20,470 --> 00:27:17,690 but with our automatic alidade recording 716 00:27:22,540 --> 00:27:20,480 system though you know you couldn't fake 717 00:27:25,060 --> 00:27:22,550 it because you get like eight thousand 718 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:25,070 numbers for every 40 minutes so you'd 719 00:27:28,090 --> 00:27:26,690 have to have to fake it you need a you 720 00:27:30,820 --> 00:27:28,100 need a huge system to just calculate 721 00:27:32,020 --> 00:27:30,830 your calculate fake numbers so that's 722 00:27:35,710 --> 00:27:32,030 what that's also an advantage of this 723 00:27:38,050 --> 00:27:35,720 system so compared to other things like 724 00:27:40,630 --> 00:27:38,060 the accelerometer and a cell phone or 725 00:27:44,220 --> 00:27:40,640 laser ring gyro where does the pendulum 726 00:27:46,420 --> 00:27:44,230 fall in terms of sensitivity to the 727 00:27:48,940 --> 00:27:46,430 precession that's a very good question 728 00:27:51,070 --> 00:27:48,950 because there has been have been one or 729 00:27:54,580 --> 00:27:51,080 two interesting results made effectively 730 00:27:55,780 --> 00:27:54,590 using micro accelerometers you know the 731 00:27:57,790 --> 00:27:55,790 type that they put them on a chip now 732 00:27:59,950 --> 00:27:57,800 and I could discuss that but there's not 733 00:28:01,210 --> 00:27:59,960 time um oh and I would think I think I 734 00:28:02,650 --> 00:28:01,220 could also suggest experiments that can 735 00:28:04,390 --> 00:28:02,660 be done using that however 736 00:28:05,770 --> 00:28:04,400 the sensitivity of Pentium well it's 737 00:28:06,670 --> 00:28:05,780 hard to say it depends exactly what you 738 00:28:08,650 --> 00:28:06,680 mean to 739 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:08,660 depends what type of effect you think is 740 00:28:11,530 --> 00:28:10,250 acting on the pendulum but I would say 741 00:28:13,810 --> 00:28:11,540 Milly that we're talking about 742 00:28:15,370 --> 00:28:13,820 precession yeah which is a laser ring 743 00:28:18,310 --> 00:28:15,380 gyro is also very sensitive to 744 00:28:20,410 --> 00:28:18,320 precession oh yes but it isn't it is not 745 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:20,420 physical system in the same sense it 746 00:28:26,170 --> 00:28:22,490 does not involve angular momentum and 747 00:28:28,990 --> 00:28:26,180 angular angular moment of inertia and so 748 00:28:30,250 --> 00:28:29,000 on so I would rather stick as close as 749 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:30,260 possible to equipment that has already 750 00:28:34,390 --> 00:28:32,570 been shown to observe anomalous well I 751 00:28:36,460 --> 00:28:34,400 mean other experiments will also be good 752 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:36,470 but it's a bit striking Alcala the duck 753 00:28:39,910 --> 00:28:38,570 you can never repeat an eclipse you know 754 00:28:42,490 --> 00:28:39,920 you only have one shot you only have one 755 00:28:46,390 --> 00:28:42,500 shot at it way of him yeah just there 756 00:28:49,990 --> 00:28:46,400 just a other question yeah actually the 757 00:28:54,790 --> 00:28:50,000 the the precision of the gravitational 758 00:29:02,320 --> 00:28:54,800 constant big G is in 1 to 1000 to 1 759 00:29:03,550 --> 00:29:02,330 million and our our effects actually and 760 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:03,560 that order of magnitude 761 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:06,170 yes I would say well Newton to you see 762 00:29:11,140 --> 00:29:07,610 yes I would say we're working in 763 00:29:12,340 --> 00:29:11,150 millions but not not hundred millions I 764 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:12,350 would say we are not working in 10 to 765 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:13,970 the minus 8 but we are certainly on the 766 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:15,530 tenth or minus 6 or 10 to the minus 7 767 00:29:20,500 --> 00:29:17,330 level this is only a very ballpark 768 00:29:23,190 --> 00:29:20,510 figure yeah and so we are at the fringe 769 00:29:26,020 --> 00:29:23,200 of the the precision of gravitation so 770 00:29:28,300 --> 00:29:26,030 this might be a graph there's no effect 771 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:28,310 but it's not where is that predicted by 772 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:30,290 Newton you see it's not predicted by 773 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:33,050 Einstein but the sign that predicts 774 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:34,970 there's something which I went but I 775 00:29:40,750 --> 00:29:37,210 intend to do to the 18 but not that and 776 00:29:42,370 --> 00:29:40,760 I personally think that it that I mean 777 00:29:44,770 --> 00:29:42,380 it's a new asset if it exists it's a new 778 00:29:46,540 --> 00:29:44,780 effect and whether its gravitational not 779 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:46,550 is is to some extent a linguistic 780 00:29:50,770 --> 00:29:48,650 question in other words do you intend to 781 00:29:52,210 --> 00:29:50,780 change the theory currently held of 782 00:29:54,370 --> 00:29:52,220 gravitation subsume it under the same 783 00:29:57,010 --> 00:29:54,380 rubric I would suggest that it might be 784 00:29:59,140 --> 00:29:57,020 more convenient for for logical purposes 785 00:30:01,330 --> 00:29:59,150 to consider it under a different under a 786 00:30:02,650 --> 00:30:01,340 different heading but that when we know 787 00:30:04,270 --> 00:30:02,660 more about it we'll be able to decide 788 00:30:06,340 --> 00:30:04,280 that I think what we need now is to see 789 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:06,350 if we can get any results thank you very 790 00:30:09,650 --> 00:30:08,090 much for your interesting talk and thank